Will F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL & ASUS M4A87TD EVO Work Together to Full Potential..

[Tradesman]

Glad to hear it, keep in touch

[id2nv2nj2ca]

Good news!!!!!!

Got my new 8gigs of RAM today, installed them, and the computer booted up no problem. Ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic test, and unlike the previous times I ran it and it said immediately that there were hardware problems, this time it ran completely and found no problems at all. And that's with 4 sticks of 2gb's each, not just the two 4g's.

Thanks everyone for all the help for the last month and a half.

[id2nv2nj2ca]

I'm sorry you're having so many problems. I actually just read through this entire thread for the first time.

Did the shop you brought the computer to test the RAM in another computer? If they tested it in yours, they could have just been seeing the same problems happening which potentially could have been the fault of another component (or mounting problem like TMan said) or some kind of incompatibility or impropersettings. I really do question these shops validity or if they just play a guessing game at times...

Anyways... with all the BSOD's you've been having, i definitely recommend a full OS wipe and program reinstall once your computer is stable. see, everytime your computer BSOD's or errors, it could be writing bad data to your hard disks and corrupting your programs and files. you may even want to check your backup disks if they were connected to your computer at the time. a unstable computer can cause all kinds of havock on your data.

with that said, I truly do hope you get this problem solved. but if that shop's assessment of the problem was wrong (and you still experience the same problems) I would urge you to go back there and challenge them on it. see if they will do more tests for free this time, or refund your last visit.

EDIT: also, from the looks of your memtest screenshots... it looks like it was frozen and not even running at all. like GSKILL TECH said, you need the latest version of memtest. (4.10) and not 3.5 like you had. but the windows memory diagnostic works too, especially for severe instabilities like yours. but memtest is more thorough for minor instabilities.

Thank you for taking your time to post this. The tech I used is not only reasonably priced, but does seem to know what he is doing; but I'm an admitted idiot when it comes to this stuff. I am a bit disappointed in his cable management that I paid $15 for. I expected to open my case and see almost all the wires, etc, hidden between the MOBO and outside of the case, but it seems all he did was put twist ties around the wires. I was going for a much "cleaner" look, and since I bought the case I did because it was plenty big and because it was designed to keep things cool, I'm a bit disappointed. When my new RAM comes in today or tomorrow, and I open up the case to replace it, I will take a photo and post it here. Then maybe I can be told if I should be satisfied with the job he did.

With all that said, I have no idea how he tested the RAM, but I have had my PC back since last Saturday, with only one stick of RAM in, and I have not had one single BSOD or random pop up saying that some program or another wasn't running, etc. It is working fine right now on the one stick that is supposedly dying. Now, if I could just get my speakers to stop distorting, that would be something.

Thanks again.

[LeetMiniWheat]

I'm sorry you're having so many problems. I actually just read through this entire thread for the first time.

Did the shop you brought the computer to test the RAM in another computer? If they tested it in yours, they could have just been seeing the same problems happening which potentially could have been the fault of another component (or mounting problem like TMan said) or some kind of incompatibility or impropersettings. I really do question these shops validity or if they just play a guessing game at times...

Anyways... with all the BSOD's you've been having, i definitely recommend a full OS wipe and program reinstall once your computer is stable. see, everytime your computer BSOD's or errors, it could be writing bad data to your hard disks and corrupting your programs and files. you may even want to check your backup disks if they were connected to your computer at the time. a unstable computer can cause all kinds of havock on your data.

with that said, I truly do hope you get this problem solved. but if that shop's assessment of the problem was wrong (and you still experience the same problems) I would urge you to go back there and challenge them on it. see if they will do more tests for free this time, or refund your last visit.

EDIT: also, from the looks of your memtest screenshots... it looks like it was frozen and not even running at all. like GSKILL TECH said, you need the latest version of memtest. (4.10) and not 3.5 like you had. but the windows memory diagnostic works too, especially for severe instabilities like yours. but memtest is more thorough for minor instabilities.

[id2nv2nj2ca]

http://www.gskill.com/rma.php

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

Thank you. Email with RMA request was just sent. Have a great week.

[GSKILL TECH]

http://www.gskill.com/rma.php

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

[id2nv2nj2ca]

Well what I mean is plug only one module in the computer at a time. This way you isolate the modules and if one is defective, it should perform differently and you know it is causing the problem. This needs to be done so we know whether it is a memory problem or not.

As far as setting it correctly in BIOS, DRAM Frequency should be set to DDR3-1333. Then go into DRAM Timing Configuration and change timings to tCL 8 - tRCD 8 - tRP 8 - tRAS 24. Then exit that page and go back to the main page. Scroll down to DRAM Voltage and this should be 1.50V. F10, save and exit, and let me know the results. One module at a time, this setting should work fine.

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

Well, it's been awhile, and here is the latest. I finally had to take my machine to a computer repair shop that knew how to really test things and they found out that one of my sticks of RAM was completely bad and the other has problems. Since I am outside of the return period with Newegg, what are my options? Thanks.

[GSKILL TECH]

Well what I mean is plug only one module in the computer at a time. This way you isolate the modules and if one is defective, it should perform differently and you know it is causing the problem. This needs to be done so we know whether it is a memory problem or not.

As far as setting it correctly in BIOS, DRAM Frequency should be set to DDR3-1333. Then go into DRAM Timing Configuration and change timings to tCL 8 - tRCD 8 - tRP 8 - tRAS 24. Then exit that page and go back to the main page. Scroll down to DRAM Voltage and this should be 1.50V. F10, save and exit, and let me know the results. One module at a time, this setting should work fine.

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

[Tradesman]

Really beginning to sound as though something may be loose or is shorting somewhere, doesn't really seem to be a constant going on...hate to suggest opening it up yet again, but might want to and first, check that all standoffs are being used and are screwed in tight (check the screws on the mobo and also make sure screws are in all the holes, (we just had a problem(s) similar to yours and it turned out they hadn't used all the mounting holes and was shorting on the case). Also check all connections are tight and even reseat the sticks. Once that's done would suggest unplugging the drives and peripherals and see if it boots okay with the correct speed/timings and voltage..If so connect the C: drive and try again, if good keep adding peripherals one at a time.

[id2nv2nj2ca]

OK, now this is just getting ridiculous. I put my case cover back on, put the tower on the floor, turn on the machine, and guess what happens? BSOD on the first boot up. Unfreakingbelievable. This is getting to be much more than I can take.

[id2nv2nj2ca]

2T was correct, some mobos use a T identifier, others use the N. Your video shows with lots of errors, so it may need a RMA but it may well be it needs a voltage adjustment, could you post your voltage settings, this mobo can be very difficult to work with

In the interest of full disclosure, I found out what the USB problem was. It was my memory card reader. It just stopped working although the power light remained lit even after turning off the system.

After finding that, I decided I had to take the case side off and make sure it was still plugged in nice and tight to the MOBO. Of course, it started working fine. Go figure.

Since I had the case open, I decided to move the two sticks of ram to the other two slots on the MOBO. Now, my computer is booting as fast as it ever did. I haven't checked the Bios settings now that they are in different slots, but I did take photos of the voltages as you requested. I don't know what the numbers mean, but here they are. It took two photos to get the whole page in.





After moving the RAM to the other two slots, I decided to do the Windows Memory test, and as soon as it came on the screen, it gave me the message that I have hardware problems and need to contact the manufacturer.

I really think it's time to order new RAM, what do you think?

Thanks again.

[Tradesman]

2T was correct, some mobos use a T identifier, others use the N. Your video shows with lots of errors, so it may need a RMA but it may well be it needs a voltage adjustment, could you post your voltage settings, this mobo can be very difficult to work with

[id2nv2nj2ca]

Test one at a time to see if one performs differently than the other.

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

GSKILL TECH, could I please refer you to my post of 8:36pm yesterday? And remind you how many times I have openly admitted that I don't know how to do any of this stuff. I really can't afford to keep screwing around with this and simply need to know if that Memtest you told me to run is showing that I indeed have memory errors and if it would be much simpler to replace my RAM than to keep running tests. Please watch the video I posted and let me know if that is the case. I do not have the time nor the patience to unplug everything from my computer, take off the side cover and start removing RAM and testing each one separately when I have no idea what the results even mean or can tell if there are errors showing or not. After changing some of the settings mentioned in my last post, my computer is now taking significantly longer to boot, and has crashed so many times this morning I could literally scream. So, I went back to all the settings they were before, and still having the same problems. Except now, I also get a box popping up every time it actually does fully boot without BSOD'ing that says one of my usb devices is not operating properly or some such thing. Funny thing is, I tested every usb device plugged in and they all are working fine.

I realize that you work for GSKILL and want me to use your RAM, but I really can't afford to mess with this any longer. Again, please tell me what the memtest is showing you, and if it is RAM, I will order new RAM, and then send in these two sticks to you for replacement. I will not give Newegg a 15% restocking fee. In fact, I would bet my return period has expired anyway.

Again, thank you for trying to help, but I need to be "spoken" to like a 6th grader from a few decades ago to understand how to work through this.

[GSKILL TECH]

Test one at a time to see if one performs differently than the other.

Thank you
GSKILL TECH

[id2nv2nj2ca]

He wants you to go into the the BIOS and set the Base DRAM timings to 8-8-8-24, they will be listed together and may well already be at this or maybe something like 9-9-9-27. Next find DRAM Voltage and set it to 1.55, look for Command Rate or Command Frequency or DRAM Command Frequency/Rate something like that which should show 1N or 2N, you will want it at 2N, next find CPU Bus Speed and set it to 240, which will raise your DRAM up to 1600

Tradesman, thanks for your help. I went in and changed the timings to 8-8-8-24, changed the voltage to 1.55 (at least I think I did), and the only thing close to 1N or 2N was something that showed options of 1T or 2T, so I set that at 2T. I couldn't find anything that was listed as Bus Speed, so whatever it is at, it still is. And my frequency, I think it is, is on Auto. Pretty sure setting it to 1600 wouldn't be good.

With all this done, I am still getting BSOD's and several program failures, hangups, etc. Think it's time for new RAM?

Thanks again.