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  • #16
    Originally posted by G.SKILL View Post
    We'll double check with the engineers on this. Seems like something might have changed recently on the motherboard or CPU side that may cause this issue.

    So you're using the 1700, not the 1700X?
    Yes, I am using the Ryzen 1700.

    Another thought is S.Skill sells the Flare X kits (for AMD) as DDR4-3200. The specs on those look identical to the TridentZ RGB (14-14-14-34). I do not see any reference there that you may not be able to reach 3200MHz if you are using a Ryzen 1700. What is different about those kits that would allow you to hit 3200MHz?

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    • #17
      tyrluk,

      From a technical point of view, there's a slight difference between the Flare X and non-Flare X version, such that the non-Flare X versions of the 3200MHz CL14 kits may have a small chance of not able to reach that speed with Ryzen 7 processor and a corresponding motherboard.

      Aside from that, there's also the rare possibility that a Ryzen 7 processor might have a weak IMC so that it has trouble supporting high memory frequencies at 3200MHz.

      But without further testing with your specific processor and kit combination, it'd be hard to say which is the cause. You can always try another 3200 kit, and if you hit the same errors or inability to hit 3200MHz, then it's more likely the IMC.

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      • #18
        Adding on to my previous issue --

        I purchased a Ryzen 1700X to try out.

        New Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200.

        So to summarize...

        First CPU: Ryzen 1700 cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
        Second CPU: Ryzen 1700 can do DDR4-3200.
        Third CPU: Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.

        Surprised that you have not had more customers report this problem. Seems like a pretty common issue over on the overclock.net mega-thread.

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        • #19
          I've got G.Skill F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR for an MSI b350m Mortar Arctic and 1700X. They are not in the QVL.

          So far, I've been able to run them at 2400, 16-16-16-36 by bumping up the voltage to 1.36V (the motherboard pumps out 1.344V if set to 1.35, and the sticks don't boot).
          I heard compat may improve by incresing NB voltage a bit, but I didn't try, also because I've read 4 dimms configurations are really problematic atm.

          Both A-XMP Profiles don't work.

          I hope this can improve in the future

          UPDATE: reached 2667-16-16-16-36@1.35V by bumping up the NB voltage a little bit (1.0250)
          Last edited by maboz; 04-23-2017, 12:59 AM.

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          • #20
            I personally am using the F4-3200C14D-16GTZR at the rated speed with a 1600X CPU and x370 Taichi mobo from ASRock. It is NOT listed as QVL but was able to get the speeds largely due to a slight bump up in th VTT_DDR voltage to 0.71V vs the 0.68V recommended (half of 1.35V XMP spec). Your mileage WILL vary with non-QVL kits. With more testing and tweaking, there's a chance it may become QVL. I physically looked at the kit and they are most certainly single-ranked and are believed to be the Samsung B-Die ICs. I will most certainly explore overclocking these further as higher straps are added to x370/B350 boards. Flare series RAM is among the finest kits G.Skill makes... with guaranteed low timings for AMD platforms. I just wanted my RGB
            AMD Ryzen 5 1600X @ 3.99 Ghz 1.38V
            ASRock x370 Taichi v2.0 BIOS
            16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 @14-14-14-34-75 TRC-312 TRFC - 1T
            EVGA Geforce GTX 1070 FTW
            EVGA G2 750W
            Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, 2x Intel 530 120GB, 1x Seagate 1TB

            Intel s1155 2600K proc
            ASUS Maximus 4 extreme motherboard
            4x2GB GSkillF3-17000CL9D-4GBXL @ 2133 9-11-9-28-2T
            ASUS Geforce GTX 580 DCII @ 900/1800/4008/1.1V
            SeaSonic X-760 PSU
            G.Skill phoenix 120GB SSD

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tyrluk View Post
              Adding on to my previous issue --

              I purchased a Ryzen 1700X to try out.

              New Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200.

              So to summarize...

              First CPU: Ryzen 1700 cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
              Second CPU: Ryzen 1700 can do DDR4-3200.
              Third CPU: Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.

              Surprised that you have not had more customers report this problem. Seems like a pretty common issue over on the overclock.net mega-thread.
              Hi tyrluk. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have tried a a Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 and now have an Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard, and neither one of them could get my G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR RAM to post at 3200MHz, either manually dialed in with voltage adjustments gallore, or using the DOCP (XMP) 3200 profile. This was using the 1002, 0082 and 0083 beta bioses on the Crosshair VI. I finally decided to just go and buy another Ryzen 7 1700 to see if it's the integrated memory controller on my current Ryzen 7 1700 - kind of an expensive way to prove a theory, but I just can't stand not being able to run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz!

              I'll respond with my result later this afternoon/evening. If the 2nd R7 1700 won't post at 3200MHz, I'll exchange it for another one, and another one, etc. until I find one that does.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by anubis44 View Post
                Hi tyrluk. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have tried a a Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 and now have an Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard, and neither one of them could get my G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR RAM to post at 3200MHz, either manually dialed in with voltage adjustments gallore, or using the DOCP (XMP) 3200 profile. This was using the 1002, 0082 and 0083 beta bioses on the Crosshair VI. I finally decided to just go and buy another Ryzen 7 1700 to see if it's the integrated memory controller on my current Ryzen 7 1700 - kind of an expensive way to prove a theory, but I just can't stand not being able to run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz!

                I'll respond with my result later this afternoon/evening. If the 2nd R7 1700 won't post at 3200MHz, I'll exchange it for another one, and another one, etc. until I find one that does.
                you don't need to be so bullheaded about it. Have you tried bumping up the VTT_DDR voltage? I would recommend doing that first before going CPU-swapping. I have the same kit as yours and had to do that to get mine stable.
                Last edited by Onslaught2k3; 04-24-2017, 04:11 PM. Reason: misread
                AMD Ryzen 5 1600X @ 3.99 Ghz 1.38V
                ASRock x370 Taichi v2.0 BIOS
                16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 @14-14-14-34-75 TRC-312 TRFC - 1T
                EVGA Geforce GTX 1070 FTW
                EVGA G2 750W
                Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, 2x Intel 530 120GB, 1x Seagate 1TB

                Intel s1155 2600K proc
                ASUS Maximus 4 extreme motherboard
                4x2GB GSkillF3-17000CL9D-4GBXL @ 2133 9-11-9-28-2T
                ASUS Geforce GTX 580 DCII @ 900/1800/4008/1.1V
                SeaSonic X-760 PSU
                G.Skill phoenix 120GB SSD

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Onslaught2k3 View Post
                  you don't need to be so bullheaded about it. Have you tried bumping up the VTT_DDR voltage? I would recommend doing that first before going CPU-swapping. I have the same kit as yours and had to do that to get mine stable.
                  By 'VTT_DDR voltage', I'm assuming you mean what Asus calls 'DDR voltage' in their bios?
                  Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.

                  So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.

                  However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.

                  Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by anubis44 View Post
                    By 'VTT_DDR voltage', I'm assuming you mean what Asus calls 'DDR voltage' in their bios?
                    Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.

                    So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.

                    However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.

                    Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!
                    VTT_DDR refers to the DDR termination voltage, which typically is half your DDR voltage. If you do 1.35 stock voltage, then the VTT_DDR would be ~0.68. Upping this value a little bit may stabilize the clocks a bit. On Asus boards, it may be DDR ref voltage. Some boards have it for each RAM slot. Let me know how that goes.
                    AMD Ryzen 5 1600X @ 3.99 Ghz 1.38V
                    ASRock x370 Taichi v2.0 BIOS
                    16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 @14-14-14-34-75 TRC-312 TRFC - 1T
                    EVGA Geforce GTX 1070 FTW
                    EVGA G2 750W
                    Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, 2x Intel 530 120GB, 1x Seagate 1TB

                    Intel s1155 2600K proc
                    ASUS Maximus 4 extreme motherboard
                    4x2GB GSkillF3-17000CL9D-4GBXL @ 2133 9-11-9-28-2T
                    ASUS Geforce GTX 580 DCII @ 900/1800/4008/1.1V
                    SeaSonic X-760 PSU
                    G.Skill phoenix 120GB SSD

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Onslaught2k3 View Post
                      VTT_DDR refers to the DDR termination voltage, which typically is half your DDR voltage. If you do 1.35 stock voltage, then the VTT_DDR would be ~0.68. Upping this value a little bit may stabilize the clocks a bit. On Asus boards, it may be DDR ref voltage. Some boards have it for each RAM slot. Let me know how that goes.
                      I'll give it a try tonight, but the SOC voltage offset change I mentioned seems to have done the trick. System is utterly stable at 3200MHz RAM speed (no BLCK), FSB@100MHz, 3.8GHz (so far) CPU speed.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by anubis44 View Post
                        I'll give it a try tonight, but the SOC voltage offset change I mentioned seems to have done the trick. System is utterly stable at 3200MHz RAM speed (no BLCK), FSB@100MHz, 3.8GHz (so far) CPU speed.
                        @anubis44, congrats on the stable overclock. once May's AGESA bios revision comes out I'll see how my ram clocks go. I hope they add a 3600Mhz strap
                        AMD Ryzen 5 1600X @ 3.99 Ghz 1.38V
                        ASRock x370 Taichi v2.0 BIOS
                        16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 @14-14-14-34-75 TRC-312 TRFC - 1T
                        EVGA Geforce GTX 1070 FTW
                        EVGA G2 750W
                        Samsung 960 Evo 250GB, 2x Intel 530 120GB, 1x Seagate 1TB

                        Intel s1155 2600K proc
                        ASUS Maximus 4 extreme motherboard
                        4x2GB GSkillF3-17000CL9D-4GBXL @ 2133 9-11-9-28-2T
                        ASUS Geforce GTX 580 DCII @ 900/1800/4008/1.1V
                        SeaSonic X-760 PSU
                        G.Skill phoenix 120GB SSD

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by anubis44 View Post
                          By 'VTT_DDR voltage', I'm assuming you mean what Asus calls 'DDR voltage' in their bios?
                          Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.

                          So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.

                          However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.

                          Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!
                          Glad to hear your memory is working at 3200MHz on the second proc!

                          I also had the unfortunate issue of my next proc, which ran memory at 3200MHz, not overclocking as well as my first.

                          First 1700 overclocks to 3.90GHz at 1.375v but only ran memory at 2933MHz.
                          Second 1700 overclocks to 3.85GHz at 1.4125v but runs memory at 3200MHz.

                          I'm happy enough with the second proc though -- I spent many hours trying to get it to 3.90GHz then finally gave up.

                          In every thread there is someone who comments and says "oh it works fine for me so it must work fine for everyone else" or "just do X or Y". In my case it had nothing to do with EFI settings. I pumped 1.45v to my memory, loosened timings, raised SOC voltage, etc. Nothing made any difference besides swapping the proc.

                          I actually went through FOUR processors total, 1700 and 1700X, and only found one that would run memory at 3200MHz. Even went through two ASUS C6H boards and two sets of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR in all this testing.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tyrluk View Post
                            Glad to hear your memory is working at 3200MHz on the second proc!

                            I also had the unfortunate issue of my next proc, which ran memory at 3200MHz, not overclocking as well as my first.

                            First 1700 overclocks to 3.90GHz at 1.375v but only ran memory at 2933MHz.
                            Second 1700 overclocks to 3.85GHz at 1.4125v but runs memory at 3200MHz.

                            I'm happy enough with the second proc though -- I spent many hours trying to get it to 3.90GHz then finally gave up.

                            In every thread there is someone who comments and says "oh it works fine for me so it must work fine for everyone else" or "just do X or Y". In my case it had nothing to do with EFI settings. I pumped 1.45v to my memory, loosened timings, raised SOC voltage, etc. Nothing made any difference besides swapping the proc.

                            I actually went through FOUR processors total, 1700 and 1700X, and only found one that would run memory at 3200MHz. Even went through two ASUS C6H boards and two sets of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR in all this testing.
                            I'm finding the same thing as you, that my 2nd processor will run at DDR4-3200MHz, but it's wanting more voltage than my first CPU to hit higher CPU clock speeds. Whereas I saw clock speeds as high as 4.05GHz with my first CPU, but won't go any higher than 3150MHz for the memory speed with this same G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL14 RAM, I had to back it off from 3.8GHz yesterday to 3.75GHz on my 2nd Ryzen 7 1700, as it was locking up. I'm going to investigate this further, and there may be something I can do, but the voltages this 2nd CPU needs using the 'auto' setting are noticeably higher than the first one needs at the same clock speeds. I guess the question becomes which is more important: higher CPU clock speeds, or higher memory speeds? Hell, I might just decide the higher clock speeds are more important and return the 2nd CPU!

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                            • #29
                              I finally had some luck booting G.Skill F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR (4x8) @ 2933 18-18-18-18-48 (18-16-16-16-34 with AGESA 1.0.0.4a) ProcODT 60, on the A4 bios of MSI B350M Mortar Arctic with 1700X. Waiting for May AGESA update now.
                              Last edited by maboz; 05-14-2017, 09:12 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by maboz View Post
                                I finally had some luck booting G.Skill F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR (4x8) @ 2933 18-18-18-18-48 (18-16-16-16-34 with AGESA 1.0.0.4a) ProcODT 60, on the A4 bios of MSI B350M Mortar Arctic with 1700X. Waiting for May AGESA update now.
                                That is the kit I have been considering buying to use on the Asus Crosshair VI Hero. I have seen a few reviews on NewEgg that say it will run at 3600 fine with beta BIOS 9945, which has AGESA 1.0.0.6. My main concern with this RAM though is the many issues people have been experiencing with the SPD profile being corrupted. Has that mess been resolved yet? I really don't want any issues with this build.

                                I had some incredibly crap luck with a build from about a month ago with a 32GB TridentZ 3400C14 memory kit. My guess it is the density of being dual 16GB sticks on a MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard. I tried just about everything I could think of and then some and couldn't get these sticks to POST at anything other than 2133. Truly frustrating, so much so that I have been considering grabbing Corsair memory instead of the RGB TridentZ's for the new build.
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                                AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
                                Arctic Cooling Freezer 360
                                Asus Crosshair VI Hero
                                32GB (4X8) F4-3600C15D-16GTZ - G.Skill took too long getting their act together with their RGB RAM!
                                2X Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 8GB
                                Samsung EVO 960 500GB
                                3X Seagate 3TB SATA3/7,200RPM
                                LG 16X Blu-Ray/DVD Writer
                                SilverStone Strider 1200 Watt
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