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Originally posted by Syaoran View PostThat is the kit I have been considering buying to use on the Asus Crosshair VI Hero. I have seen a few reviews on NewEgg that say it will run at 3600 fine with beta BIOS 9945, which has AGESA 1.0.0.6. My main concern with this RAM though is the many issues people have been experiencing with the SPD profile being corrupted. Has that mess been resolved yet? I really don't want any issues with this build.
Regarding the SPD corruption, I avoided using any led customization software at all. I rather left leds running at the default settings, and I didn't have any issue.
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Originally posted by maboz View PostI finally had some luck booting G.Skill F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR (4x8) @ 2933 18-18-18-18-48 (18-16-16-16-34 with AGESA 1.0.0.4a) ProcODT 60, on the A4 bios of MSI B350M Mortar Arctic with 1700X. Waiting for May AGESA update now.
I had some incredibly crap luck with a build from about a month ago with a 32GB TridentZ 3400C14 memory kit. My guess it is the density of being dual 16GB sticks on a MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard. I tried just about everything I could think of and then some and couldn't get these sticks to POST at anything other than 2133. Truly frustrating, so much so that I have been considering grabbing Corsair memory instead of the RGB TridentZ's for the new build.
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Originally posted by tyrluk View PostGlad to hear your memory is working at 3200MHz on the second proc!
I also had the unfortunate issue of my next proc, which ran memory at 3200MHz, not overclocking as well as my first.
First 1700 overclocks to 3.90GHz at 1.375v but only ran memory at 2933MHz.
Second 1700 overclocks to 3.85GHz at 1.4125v but runs memory at 3200MHz.
I'm happy enough with the second proc though -- I spent many hours trying to get it to 3.90GHz then finally gave up.
In every thread there is someone who comments and says "oh it works fine for me so it must work fine for everyone else" or "just do X or Y". In my case it had nothing to do with EFI settings. I pumped 1.45v to my memory, loosened timings, raised SOC voltage, etc. Nothing made any difference besides swapping the proc.
I actually went through FOUR processors total, 1700 and 1700X, and only found one that would run memory at 3200MHz. Even went through two ASUS C6H boards and two sets of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR in all this testing.
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Originally posted by anubis44 View PostBy 'VTT_DDR voltage', I'm assuming you mean what Asus calls 'DDR voltage' in their bios?
Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.
So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.
However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.
Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!
I also had the unfortunate issue of my next proc, which ran memory at 3200MHz, not overclocking as well as my first.
First 1700 overclocks to 3.90GHz at 1.375v but only ran memory at 2933MHz.
Second 1700 overclocks to 3.85GHz at 1.4125v but runs memory at 3200MHz.
I'm happy enough with the second proc though -- I spent many hours trying to get it to 3.90GHz then finally gave up.
In every thread there is someone who comments and says "oh it works fine for me so it must work fine for everyone else" or "just do X or Y". In my case it had nothing to do with EFI settings. I pumped 1.45v to my memory, loosened timings, raised SOC voltage, etc. Nothing made any difference besides swapping the proc.
I actually went through FOUR processors total, 1700 and 1700X, and only found one that would run memory at 3200MHz. Even went through two ASUS C6H boards and two sets of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR in all this testing.
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Originally posted by anubis44 View PostI'll give it a try tonight, but the SOC voltage offset change I mentioned seems to have done the trick. System is utterly stable at 3200MHz RAM speed (no BLCK), FSB@100MHz, 3.8GHz (so far) CPU speed.
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Originally posted by Onslaught2k3 View PostVTT_DDR refers to the DDR termination voltage, which typically is half your DDR voltage. If you do 1.35 stock voltage, then the VTT_DDR would be ~0.68. Upping this value a little bit may stabilize the clocks a bit. On Asus boards, it may be DDR ref voltage. Some boards have it for each RAM slot. Let me know how that goes.
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Originally posted by anubis44 View PostBy 'VTT_DDR voltage', I'm assuming you mean what Asus calls 'DDR voltage' in their bios?
Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.
So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.
However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.
Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!
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Originally posted by Onslaught2k3 View Postyou don't need to be so bullheaded about it. Have you tried bumping up the VTT_DDR voltage? I would recommend doing that first before going CPU-swapping. I have the same kit as yours and had to do that to get mine stable.
Yes, I did indeed push that up to 1.45v, to no avail. I also tried adjusting the 'startup DDR voltage' to as high as 1.45v at the same time, and it didn't work either. I already bought the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700 (I'm a stubborn SOB sometimes!) and I can confirm that it does indeed work at 3200MHz memory speed (using the DOCP preset even!), all at default (auto) voltages for everything, although I had some instability while transcoding using handbrake, so I changed the setting for the SOC voltage from 'auto' to 'offset' mode, and '+' and 'auto'. With this setting, I can transcode all night long with no issues with 3200MHz memory speed, 14-14-14-14-34 RAM timings with this 2nd CPU.
So I was right. The memory controller on the Ryzen chips vary enough to make the difference between hitting 3200MHz RAM speed with the same qualified G.Skill memory and the same Asus Crosshair VI motherboard and NOT being able to hit 3200MHz memory speed.
However, I have not yet tried overclocking the CPU itself very much yet, but I can already see that it might not overclock quite as much as my first Ryzen 7, which has hit as high as 4.05GHz. So I'm continuing to test different settings.
Not yet sure what I'll do with the 2nd Ryzen 7 1700. I might put it into my HTPC and get rid of the Core i5 4690K in there right now. We'll see!
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Originally posted by anubis44 View PostHi tyrluk. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have tried a a Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 and now have an Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard, and neither one of them could get my G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR RAM to post at 3200MHz, either manually dialed in with voltage adjustments gallore, or using the DOCP (XMP) 3200 profile. This was using the 1002, 0082 and 0083 beta bioses on the Crosshair VI. I finally decided to just go and buy another Ryzen 7 1700 to see if it's the integrated memory controller on my current Ryzen 7 1700 - kind of an expensive way to prove a theory, but I just can't stand not being able to run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz!
I'll respond with my result later this afternoon/evening. If the 2nd R7 1700 won't post at 3200MHz, I'll exchange it for another one, and another one, etc. until I find one that does.
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Originally posted by tyrluk View PostAdding on to my previous issue --
I purchased a Ryzen 1700X to try out.
New Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200.
So to summarize...
First CPU: Ryzen 1700 cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
Second CPU: Ryzen 1700 can do DDR4-3200.
Third CPU: Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
Surprised that you have not had more customers report this problem. Seems like a pretty common issue over on the overclock.net mega-thread.
I'll respond with my result later this afternoon/evening. If the 2nd R7 1700 won't post at 3200MHz, I'll exchange it for another one, and another one, etc. until I find one that does.
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I personally am using the F4-3200C14D-16GTZR at the rated speed with a 1600X CPU and x370 Taichi mobo from ASRock. It is NOT listed as QVL but was able to get the speeds largely due to a slight bump up in th VTT_DDR voltage to 0.71V vs the 0.68V recommended (half of 1.35V XMP spec). Your mileage WILL vary with non-QVL kits. With more testing and tweaking, there's a chance it may become QVL. I physically looked at the kit and they are most certainly single-ranked and are believed to be the Samsung B-Die ICs. I will most certainly explore overclocking these further as higher straps are added to x370/B350 boards. Flare series RAM is among the finest kits G.Skill makes... with guaranteed low timings for AMD platforms. I just wanted my RGB
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I've got G.Skill F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR for an MSI b350m Mortar Arctic and 1700X. They are not in the QVL.
So far, I've been able to run them at 2400, 16-16-16-36 by bumping up the voltage to 1.36V (the motherboard pumps out 1.344V if set to 1.35, and the sticks don't boot).
I heard compat may improve by incresing NB voltage a bit, but I didn't try, also because I've read 4 dimms configurations are really problematic atm.
Both A-XMP Profiles don't work.
I hope this can improve in the future
UPDATE: reached 2667-16-16-16-36@1.35V by bumping up the NB voltage a little bit (1.0250)Last edited by maboz; 04-23-2017, 12:59 AM.
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Adding on to my previous issue --
I purchased a Ryzen 1700X to try out.
New Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200.
So to summarize...
First CPU: Ryzen 1700 cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
Second CPU: Ryzen 1700 can do DDR4-3200.
Third CPU: Ryzen 1700X cannot do DDR4-3200. Max is 2933.
Surprised that you have not had more customers report this problem. Seems like a pretty common issue over on the overclock.net mega-thread.
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