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  • Phase
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    Well, I decided to return the 2x16 kit that is still under the return period, get a 2x32 kit and then sell the other 2x16 kit somehow.

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  • Phase
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    Turns out the Strix is a slightly better overclocker than the Maximus. Not enough to make me swap boards again. But 5.2GHz needs 1.38 instead of 1.35, both at Line 7. I back it down to 1.36 and Line 6 for daily use. Memory behavior exactly the same. Though I'm using the next-to-last bios (not quite confident on the one). So I'm back at 14-14-28.

    It is either the "board silicon" lottery or perhaps that the Maximus has more features, after all the Apex is supposedly stripped down. Strange.

    Final Cinebench R20 score was 6834 (6.9% up from 6394 stock). CAM and ASUS software bugs down the scores. It is a battle to kill and disable processes.


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  • Phase
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    Yeap the ssd was bad. The new ssd in the old mobo looked fine. Just swapped the mobo. It will be a lot of software installing over the weekend. But I’ll get the overclock done first.

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  • emissary42
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    To bad about the SSD. The ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero should be a decent upgrade over the Strix-E

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  • Phase
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    Howdy. Partial success. By making the MCH and RTL changes and the a new bios, after many configurations we managed to get it to 3600. Then bringing back all other overclocking settings, including bringing the voltages down to the original oc levels

    On the sad side my m2ssd crapped out towards the end and I lost the C drive. It was a Samsung evo 970 plus. I’m assuming the unit was defective to begin with and the power up cycles crapped it up. I’ll RMA it, but I can not afford to wait for it to come back.

    This is my main computer and I can not afford to not have a working computer on Monday. So I’m rushing to B&H and getting a new ssd as well as a new mobo — just in case. since I’m getting a new mobo I’m gonna go for the Maximus XII Hero which may afford a slight bump on the frequencies, but mostly because it should be a bit of extra insurance for a daily driver. I’m not sure if I’ll build a backup computer with the Strix or if I’ll sell it. Will probably sell it for 10-15% off. It is a great overclocker!

    will report once the new mobo is up!
    Last edited by Phase; 09-04-2020, 05:04 AM.

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  • emissary42
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    MCH fast boot is a different option, you should find it further down in the memory timing section.
    Round Trip Latency is among the advanced dram training options, one menu level deeper.

    At this point I would also consider testing another BIOS version and see if that does better with memory training.
    Just make sure to backup your OC profile to USB, so that you can reload it after flashing back.

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  • Phase
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    Originally posted by emissary42 View Post
    I would recommend to try the following:

    1) Load Optimized Defaults
    2) Enable XMP-II (in case a question about optimizing CPU settings pops up, answer with no)
    3) Reduce memory ratio until the system does successfully POST
    4) Test for stability

    If you keep getting 7F at DDR4-3600 and below try adjusting VCCSA/VCCIO values from 1.1V to 1.25V.

    It might also help raise DRAM boot voltage a bit (1.4V) and to enable MCH Fast Boot and Round Trip Latency (if available).
    Hi Thanks!!

    So far it has not worked

    I'm attaching a couple of screen shots to make sure I understood the settings you mentioned correctly. The MCH Fast Boot I understood to be the plain "Fast Boot" setting. That is enabled by default. The only reference to Round Trip Latency I found was the RTL screen with a large number of settings -- I did not touch those. Screen shoots attached.



    TEST 1:
    ==================
    Load Optimized Defaults
    Disabled CPU Fan monitoring (using an AIO)
    Loaded XMP2
    Drop Frequency to 3600 MHz

    Reboot -> NO JOY (error code 7F flashed as the board cycled through)


    TEST 2:
    ==================
    Upped VCCSA to 1.1
    Upped VCCIO to 1.1

    Reboot -> NO JOY (error code 7F flashed as the board cycled through)


    TEST 3:
    ==================
    Upped VCCSA to 1.25
    Upped VCCIO to 1.25
    Upped DRAM Voltage to 1.45

    Reboot -> NO JOY (error code 7F flashed as the board cycled through)


    ==================
    ==================
    I stopped there and went back to my working profile looking to tighten the latency a bit more
    ==================
    ==================


    TEST 4:
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    Load My Working Overclock Profile
    14, 14, 30 -> 13, 13, 30

    Reboot -> NO JOY (error code 7F flashed as the board cycled through)


    TEST 5:
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    Timings to: 13, 14, 30

    Reboot -> NO JOY (error code 7F flashed as the board cycled through)


    TEST 6:
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    Timings to: 14, 14, 29

    Reboot -> Windows Boots


    TEST 7:
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    Timings to: 14, 14, 28

    Reboot -> Windows Boots


    ==================
    ==================

    So I did tighten the times minimally. From 14,14,30 to 14,14,28. But it is still running 3400 MHz. Running MemTestPro -- so far no errors

    Thoughts?
    Attached Files
    Last edited by Phase; 09-03-2020, 09:28 AM.

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  • emissary42
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    I would recommend to try the following:

    1) Load Optimized Defaults
    2) Enable XMP-II (in case a question about optimizing CPU settings pops up, answer with no)
    3) Reduce memory ratio until the system does successfully POST
    4) Test for stability

    If you keep getting 7F at DDR4-3600 and below try adjusting VCCSA/VCCIO values from 1.1V to 1.25V.

    It might also help raise DRAM boot voltage a bit (1.4V) and to enable MCH Fast Boot and Round Trip Latency (if available).

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  • Phase
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    Originally posted by emissary42 View Post
    Do both kits work at full XMP speed when used in A2/B2?
    Yes, both kits run individually with XMP2 at 4000 MHz


    Originally posted by emissary42 View Post
    To be honest I would have expected the 4 DIMM limit to be higher and in the DDR4-3733/3866 range, though. For a quick test try the XMP with a manually reduced frequency, moving the ratio down step by step, until the system manages to successfully POST and passes stability testing. It might help to manually adjust VCCSA and VCCIO, if the POST stops with memory controller related codes like 23.
    The testing was not successful. Lots of codes flashing, but in the end "7F" would stay on for a while, then go to "00" and start flashing through different codes again, over and over till eventually the BIOS screen came up and asked to press F1.

    ORIGINAL SETTINGS:
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    AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
    ASUS Multicore Enhancement: Enabled
    AUX Instruction Core Ratio Negative Offset: 0
    CPU Core Ratio Synch: All Cores
    All-Core Ratio Limit: 52 (5.2 GHz)
    BCLK Aware Adaptative Voltage: Disabled
    CPU Core/Cash Voltage: Manual Mode
    CPU Core Voltage Override: 1.35 V
    DRAM Frequency: 3400 MHz
    DRAM Voltage: 1.39375 V
    Min. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 (5.0 GHz)
    Max. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 (5.0 GHz)
    CPU Core/Cache Current Limit Max.: 255.75
    Long Duration Package Powe Limit: 4095
    Short Duration Package Powe Limit: 4095
    CPU Load Line Calibration: Level 7
    DRAM CAS# Latency: 14
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 14
    DRAM RAS# ACT Time: 30
    All other settings: Auto


    TEST 1:
    ==================
    With the Settings Above loaded XMP2.

    That made the following changes:
    AI Overclock Tuner: Manual -> XMP2
    DRAM Frequency: 3400 MHz -> 4000 MHz
    DRAM CAS# Latency: 14 -> 19
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 14 -> 19
    DRAM RAS# ACT Time: 30 -> 39
    DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay L: Auto -> 10
    DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay S: Auto -> 4
    DRAM REF Cycle Time: Auto -> 700
    DRAM REF Cycle Time 2: Auto -> 520
    DRAM REF Cycle Time 4: Auto -> 320
    DRAM FOUR ACT WIN Time: Auto -> 48
    DRAM Voltage: 1.39375 -> 1.35

    The without a reboot, lowered the frequency and upped the voltages
    DRAM Frequency: 4000 MHz -> 3600 MHz
    DRAM Voltage: 1.35 -> 1.4250
    CPU VCCIO Voltage: Auto -> 1.2
    CPU System Agent Voltage: Auto -> 1.2

    Reboot -> NO JOY
    ERROR CODE "7F" repeatedly then "00" then eventually into BIOS.


    TEST 2:
    ==================
    Min. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 -> Auto
    Max. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 -> Auto

    Reboot -> NO JOY
    ERROR CODE "7F" repeatedly then "00" then eventually into BIOS.


    TEST 3:
    ==================
    DRAM Frequency: 3600 MHz -> 3500 MHz

    Reboot -> NO JOY
    ERROR CODE "7F" repeatedly then "00" then eventually into BIOS.


    TEST 4:
    ==================
    DRAM Frequency: 3600 MHz -> 3500 MHz

    Reboot -> NO JOY
    ERROR CODE "7F" repeatedly then "00" then eventually into BIOS.


    TEST 5:
    ==================
    DRAM Frequency: 3500 MHz -> 3400 MHz

    Reboot -> Boot into windows, but that is the speed we started with


    TEST 6:
    ==================
    Reloaded Original Profile (removed XMP2)

    Without a reboot, upped the frequency, upped the voltages, and borrowed timings from XMP2
    DRAM Frequency: 3400 MHz -> 3600 MHz
    DRAM Voltage: 1.39375 -> 1.4250
    CPU VCCIO Voltage: Auto -> 1.2
    CPU System Agent Voltage: Auto -> 1.2
    DRAM CAS# Latency: 14 -> 19
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 14 -> 19
    DRAM RAS# ACT Time: 30 -> 39
    DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay L: Auto -> 10
    DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay S: Auto -> 4

    Reboot -> NO JOY


    TEST 7:
    ==================
    DRAM Frequency: 3600 MHz -> 3500 MHz

    Reboot -> NO JOY


    TEST 8:
    ==================
    DRAM Voltage: 1.4250 -> 1.45

    Reboot -> NO JOY


    TEST 9:
    ==================
    Reloaded Original Profile

    Without a reboot, upped the CPU cache ratio (was wondering if I could at least up the cache with what I had previouly working)
    Min. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 -> 52
    Max. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 -> 52

    Reboot -> NO JOY (frozen on error code 6F)
    Power button till off
    Power button on

    TEST 10:
    ==================
    Min. CPU Cache Ratio: 52 -> 51
    Max. CPU Cache Ratio: 52 -> 51

    Reboot -> NO JOY (frozen on error code 4F)
    Power button till off
    Power button on

    On power on started to boot into windows instead of sending me automatically to the BIOS
    FROZE ON WINDOS BOOT
    Power button till off
    Power button on

    TEST 11:
    ==================
    Reloaded Original Profile (which has CPU cache 50/50)

    Without a reboot, upped the frequency to 3466
    ERROR CODE "Ed" for a while then "7F" then reboot into BIOS.


    TEST 12:
    ==================
    Reloaded Original Profile

    Back to where we started

    Thoughts?

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  • emissary42
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    Do both kits work at full XMP speed when used in A2/B2?

    Then it is probably the board that can't handle DDR4-4000 with four dual rank modules / when the secondary memory slots are populated. While the Z370/Z390 models were T-topology and worked best with four modules, most Z490 should should have a daisy chain topology instead and while that allows higher frequencies with two modules, the lower four DIMM frequency limit is the one trade-off.

    To be honest I would have expected the 4 DIMM limit to be higher and in the DDR4-3733/3866 range, though. For a quick test try the XMP with a manually reduced frequency, moving the ratio down step by step, until the system manages to successfully POST and passes stability testing. It might help to manually adjust VCCSA and VCCIO, if the POST stops with memory controller related codes like 23.

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  • Help: 4x16GB on ROG STRIX Z490-E Gaming i9-10900K @ 5.2 GHz -- F4-4000C19D-32GTZR

    Hi,

    I need help bumping up the memory speed.

    I have 4 sticks of F4-4000C19D-32GTZR and I managed to get them to 3400 MHz with 14-14-30 and 1.39375 V. With only 2 sticks both pairs of F4-4000C19D-32GTZR run at 4000 MHz with the XMP2 profile. I do understand that for 4 sticks we have to go manual -- though that was a surprise.

    I have tried 3600 at 16-16-36 and 1.45V plus a few other configurations but with no luck.

    This is for a daily driver (16 hours a day, 7 days a week)

    i9-10900K - 5.2 GHz all cores
    ROG STRIX Z490-E Gaming
    64GB (4x16GB) F4-4000C19D-32GTZR

    Settings:
    AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
    ASUS Multicore Enhancement: Enabled
    AUX Instruction Core Ratio Negative Offset: 0
    CPU Core Ratio Synch: All Cores
    All-Core Ratio Limit: 52 (5.2 GHz)
    BCLK Aware Adaptative Voltage: Disabled
    CPU Core/Cash Voltage: Manual Mode
    CPU Core Voltage Override: 1.35 V
    DRAM Frequency: 3400 MHz
    DRAM Voltage: 1.39375 V
    Min. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 (5.0 GHz)
    Max. CPU Cache Ratio: 50 (5.0 GHz)
    CPU Core/Cache Current Limit Max.: 255.75
    Long Duration Package Powe Limit: 4095
    Short Duration Package Powe Limit: 4095
    CPU Load Line Calibration: Level 7
    DRAM CAS# Latency: 14
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 14
    DRAM RAS# ACT Time: 30
    All other settings: Auto
    Temps high 80's with Cinebench R20

    Can you help?

    Thanks!
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