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  • F3-2400C10D-16GTX+ i7 4770K + z87 GRYPHON

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    Model of the motherboard: Asus TUF mATX Intel® GRYPHON Z87
    Model of the memory: [TridentX] F3-2400C10D-16GTX
    Model of the CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4770K Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz)
    BIOS version: 1603(think that is the newest for the board)


    What is the problem?
    No matter at what CPU clock speed(haven't tried below stock) i can't seem to get my tridentX to boot above 1600MHz, currently running at 8-8-8-24 CR2(1.6500V) @ 4.3GHz on the CPU(1.250V). I guess my question is this:
    Is that is just something I have to deal with(being screwed by the sillicon lottery and all)?

    I can tell you that my cpu is not even close to stable at 4.5 or higher(haven't tried with higher volts than 1.280)

    This is my first build ever, so any advise/help would be greatly appreciated.

    btw, I did run memtest86+ at both sticks did pass.

  • #2
    Basically all you need to do is activate the XMP in UEFI. The board should then automatically set the appropriate timings and voltages.
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    • #3
      Doh, I'm sorry. I forgot to mention. I have tried both XMP's at stock without any of them working. I have also tried manually entering the timings(10-12-12-31 @ 2400MHz) with 1.6500 V. No luck there either. I just end up in a loop when trying to boot, and then i have to use the MEMok button to get back into the BIOS.

      Here is a list of pictures from MY BIOS at stock CPU with the settings for one of the XMP's. https://drive.google.com/folderview?...Dg&usp=sharing
      Do let me know if more information is needed.

      If you do need help, provide the RAM in question, the amount of RAM, mobo, BIOS version, CPU, whether you are OCing, GPU (and driver), OS version, and any other data you think pertinent to your problem.

      EDIT again: My BIOS version is 1603, I have no graphics card installed and my OS is Windows 7 professional.
      Last edited by BanjoSense; 11-22-2013, 10:08 AM.

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      • #4
        The timings all look correct and it should work I think. Have you tried using the same settings at 2133? see if its just a bit of an OC you need or if the ram/imc are having issues. I'm not familiar enough with that board to know about the bios versions, but if there is a newer one do update it.
        ASUS P8Z77-V LK / I5 3350P / 2X F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Running @ 1866mhz / MSI GTX760 TF

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        • #5
          Thanks for the answer.

          I have tried all the way from 2400MHz to 1600MHz(2133,1866 and 1800). The only one that have been stable is the 1600MHz(and 1333).

          I've just read this article over at tomshardware, and I'm wondering if this is what is wrong/the state of things. I now have the ram booting at 1600MHz and timings of 7-8-8-24 1T.
          As a newbie I'm not unhappy with this, since i mostly bought this kit since it was just as cheap as lower frequency RAM. Right now I'm just fishing for an answer with regards to why it won't push any higher. So that I can learn something for the next time I go looking for ram/cpu. Knowledge is power and all

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          • #6
            Just for arguments sake, try booting at 1866, with 8-9-9-27-2t timings, 1.55v and see what that does, something is odd here.
            ASUS P8Z77-V LK / I5 3350P / 2X F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Running @ 1866mhz / MSI GTX760 TF

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            • #7
              Gave it a try. The result was the same. Continuously looping untill i press the MEMok button.

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              • #8
                Im leaning toward you got a bad set have you tried each stick individually? Maybe just one is bad? Could try nudging vccsa up a bit as well
                ASUS P8Z77-V LK / I5 3350P / 2X F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Running @ 1866mhz / MSI GTX760 TF

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                • #9
                  Which slots do you have the memory installed in? Did you try each pair to see if you get different results?

                  Thank you
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                  • #10
                    Good morning. Removing the sticks is kinda a hassle, since I have my cooler hanging over the RAM. I'm kinda happy with the setting I have now 7-8-8-21 1T @ 1600MHz. Guess I would just like to know how much preformance I'm missing out on. And do you think I can go lower than the 1.65 V(perhaps turn the BIOS option to auto again?).

                    EDIT: I have the RAM installed in the slots recommended in the user guide. DIMM_A2 and DIMM_B2
                    Last edited by BanjoSense; 11-23-2013, 12:25 AM.

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                    • #11
                      If your applications are memory bandwidth limited, then DDR3-2400 should offer a significant boost over DDR3-1600 regardless of the difference in timings. It is unlikely that your 4770K has problems with the higher memory speed, maybe it is the mainboard thats holding you back.

                      Edit: You're primary timings at DDR3-1600 look about right for these kind of ICs. Scaling should look something like

                      1600 7-8-8-20
                      1866 8-9-9-24
                      2133 9-10-10-27 / 9-11-11-28
                      2400 10-11-11-28 / 10-12-12-28

                      However subtimings do play a role too and if both XMP fail to POST, theres probably something f***ed up BIOS wise. If the Gryphon tries to POST at DDR3-2400 with these secondary timings from you're screenshots, i can see it failing. That is way too tight^^

                      My advice would be: Write down the secondaries for the XMP from UEFI (Tool > ASUS SPD Information) or Aida64 (Motherboard > SPD) and put them in manually, that should do the job.
                      Last edited by emissary42; 11-23-2013, 08:11 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Thanks a bunch, I'll get on that when I get some spare time again

                        You have all been very helpful.

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                        • #13
                          Do you have the latest BIOS?


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                          • #14
                            Bsod

                            Hey guys, so I'm back. Had the system running for a while no problems, but now I'm starting to get this BSOD error:
                            "STOP:0x00000124 ( 0x0000000000000000 0xFFFFFA8011A58028 0x00000000BF800000 0x0000000000000124)"

                            From looking shortly at the mighty internets it seems that this might be related to the RAM?

                            So now I'm back where I left off.


                            1. emissary42 suggested looking up the secondary timings from the xmp profile, here they are.

                            @ 1200 MHz 10-12-12-31 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 43-313-3-7-16-10-10-26-7 (RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL)

                            @ 1200 MHz 10-12-12-31 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 43-313-2-6-16-9-9-26-7 (RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL)

                            My problem now is that I can't link the contractions(RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL) to what is in my UEFI

                            Have taken some new screenshots from the UEFI here


                            2. I was wondering if there is some sort of stess test that I could run to test for the ram stability? I have been running AIDA 64 for around 24 hours with no crashes, and still I get these ramdom crashes


                            3. with regards to swapping/removing the DIMMS, I would like this to be a last resort if none of the above works out, since it would mean I would have to remove the CPU cooler to do so.



                            P.S. I'm still currently running the 7-8-8-21 1T @ 1600MHz with the rest on auto.
                            and Tradesman: Yes I belive I do, it's version 1603

                            Thanks again for helping me out, means alot.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BanjoSense View Post
                              Hey guys, so I'm back. Had the system running for a while no problems, but now I'm starting to get this BSOD error:
                              "STOP:0x00000124 ( 0x0000000000000000 0xFFFFFA8011A58028 0x00000000BF800000 0x0000000000000124)"

                              From looking shortly at the mighty internets it seems that this might be related to the RAM?
                              Can be memory related, but does not have to be.

                              Originally posted by BanjoSense View Post
                              1. emissary42 suggested looking up the secondary timings from the xmp profile, here they are.

                              @ 1200 MHz 10-12-12-31 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 43-313-3-7-16-10-10-26-7 (RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL)

                              @ 1200 MHz 10-12-12-31 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 43-313-2-6-16-9-9-26-7 (RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL)

                              My problem now is that I can't link the contractions(RC-RFC-CR-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP-FAW-WCL) to what is in my UEFI
                              This should help to match the names and abbreviations:



                              (t)RC = REF Cycle Time
                              (t)RFC = DRAM Refresh Interval

                              Originally posted by BanjoSense View Post
                              2. I was wondering if there is some sort of stess test that I could run to test for the ram stability? I have been running AIDA 64 for around 24 hours with no crashes, and still I get these ramdom crashes
                              Aida64 stability testing equals only mediocre cpu-load and does not test memory that much. Also there is no 100% universally agreed upon answer to that question. Most people prefer several hours long custom sessions with Prime95, LinX (Linpack), Memtest, 3DMark, Battlefield / 3D games and/or a combination of those for absolute stability testing. How much time you want to invest into this depends on your personal preferences.
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